Posts by Andrew Sh

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One Lord - One Savior : Get Used To It

by Perry in

jehovah in the old testament and jesus in the new testament are one and the same.. .

3. jehovah is salvation.

5. jehovah wants only himself to be worshipped.

Andrew Sh

Perry,

If Jesus isn't God then, according to his own words he has loved us MORE than God has: "Greater love has noone than this, that he lay down his life for his friends." But if Jesus isn't God then Jesus has loved us more than God has loved us. It would be impossible to think that anyone has loved us more than God, so Jesus must be God.

Onthewayout,

Where does God approve of rape?? I can't see it. Those innocent children who die in a Tsunami, they go straight to heaven, because they have never deliberately sinned, and are included in the redeeming work of Christ. To be fully clear on this read "Infant salvation" at www.spurgeon.org/sermons/0411.htm.

Where God has approved of genocide such as in the Old Testament, it was after 400 years of putting up with a nation which would slowly burn their own children to death over a slow fire in sacrifice to their God Molech. What sort of response would you like from a holy God for this?

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One Lord - One Savior : Get Used To It

by Perry in

jehovah in the old testament and jesus in the new testament are one and the same.. .

3. jehovah is salvation.

5. jehovah wants only himself to be worshipped.

Andrew Sh

And how many times did "they pick up stones to stone him" for blasphemy, when he could have ripped his clothes and said they had misunderstood him and he wasn't claiming any such thing (as to be God)... but he did not deny it?? They had NOT misunderstood Him, they had understood him perfectly well.

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One Lord - One Savior : Get Used To It

by Perry in

jehovah in the old testament and jesus in the new testament are one and the same.. .

3. jehovah is salvation.

5. jehovah wants only himself to be worshipped.

Andrew Sh

Doesn't look as if you need any help here Perry, but I'll just add a few penny worth:-

"And Thomas answered and said unto him, Ho Kurios mou kai ho Theos mou" - the Lord of me and the God of me - John 20:28. Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen and yet have believed.

What had Thomas believed? Was he blaspheming? Obviously not, Jesus didn't rebuke him, but implied he was blessed for believing, and others would be more blessed if they believed even though they had not seen.

And without controversy great is the mystery of our religion: God was revealed in the flesh... received up into glory . 1 Timothy 3:16

That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow.... and every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Philippians 2:10,11 compared with Isaiah 45:22,23:-

Look unto me and be ye saved all the ends of the earth, for I am God and there is none else. I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow and every tongue shall swear.

Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, God. Matthew 19:17 (Meaning, if I am not God then I am not good either, but if I am good, then I am God also. It isn't appropriate to call me merely "good master": men are not good, including you yourself.) Compare this with John 10:11 "I am the good shepherd."!!!

"but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God" John 5:18. Equal in nature, though subservient in his role as The Son.

baptizing them in the name (NB not 'names' but 'name', SINGULAR) of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Matthew 28:19.

"Fear not, I am the first and the last: I am he that liveth, and was dead, and behold I am alive for evermore, Amen." Rev 1:17,18.

Compare with Isaiah 44:6: Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts: I am the first and the last, beside me there is no God.

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IS GOD REAL? HOW DO YOU KNOW?

by still thinking in

jw
friends

this is an honest question on my part.

someone on this board asked me 'how do you know' a while ago and i really struggled with it.

in fact, it was a turning point for me.

Andrew Sh

Show that God is real, without mentioning the Bible. Alright, describe the solar system to me....... without mentioning the sun or the planets.

See what Jesus said in John 7:17.

You can look it up in http://www.biblegateway.com/ ... and if you cannot get the idea from the King James Version then may I suggest you use New International Version.

778

IS GOD REAL? HOW DO YOU KNOW?

by still thinking in

jw
friends

this is an honest question on my part.

someone on this board asked me 'how do you know' a while ago and i really struggled with it.

in fact, it was a turning point for me.

Andrew Sh

How do I know God is real?

I read all about Jesus. Ask yourself what did he do, and who was he? Once you know who Jesus was then you are on the way to being able to answer your own question.

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What made you leave?

by CuriousUK in

jw
friends

apologies if this has been discussed before, but i am really very interested in finding out why members here left their congregations for lives away from jw?.

was there a "lightbulb" moment where you just woke up one day and realised that you had been brainwashed?

or a slow realisation over time?

Andrew Sh

Curious

I have sent a post for you on "Real life of a JW".

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REAL life of a JW!

by Silent_Scream in

born into jw family.

5 years old - you are told celebrations and gifts on those days are from satan.

therefore, in school, your an weird outcast.

Andrew Sh

CuriousUK,

I would love to help you.. you can find me on Facebook - Andrew Shanks - Wolverhampton.

David Reed's book "How to rescue your loved one from the Watchtower" might be good: He warns, once you have got your loved one out of the Watchtower you are only half done: you still have to get the Watchtower out of your loved one.

You need to ask yourself what is the JW's motive for communicating with a non-JW? Is it to make them a JW? If that is not their motive then surely they are some of the way out of the prison already. Perhaps all you need to do is wait patiently and be a constant friend.

You could read the books of Ray Franz "Crisis of Conscience" and "In search of Christian Freedom" but be careful to keep them hidden until the right time... and who knows when that time will be??

Read the Bible.. it doesn't lead to the JW Kingdom.. read especially the first 4 books of the New Testament, the gospels: Note the way of life of the Pharisees, the religious hypocrites, and note Jesus's condemnation of them. Note how Jesus mixed with "sinners" but the Pharisees were full of self-righteous pride, and looked down on everyone except themselves (John chapter 9v34). The aim here is to hope that he will see the pettyness of the rules of the JW world, and the hardness of its leadership for himself. So yuou could somehow try to get him to look at the desription of the Pharisees in the gospels: perhaps ask him who killed Jesus and why did they kill him? I don't know how much religious talk crops up between him and you - but note he likes you just the way you are, and any big change of behaviour on your part could jeopardise the friendship(?)

It is surprising in itself that it was religious people, even very religious people who got Jesus killed. Perhaps you could be surprised at that and tell him so.. it ought toi be hard to believe that those who professed to follow Moses (you shall love your neighbour as yourself, Moses' Leviticus 19v18) could become so vicious. Perhaps ask your friend to show you everything in the Bible about the Pharisees. If you can get him showing you passages in the Bible without reference to the Watchtower then you are on the right road.

But hey, what do I know, these others have been there, and are invited to point out this may be easier saiud than done, I'm sure. comments/criticisms welcome!!

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REAL life of a JW!

by Silent_Scream in

born into jw family.

5 years old - you are told celebrations and gifts on those days are from satan.

therefore, in school, your an weird outcast.

Andrew Sh

Silent Scream

Using Firefox now not Internet Explorer - thanks for that!!! And thanks for a great post. Bookmarked.

How glad I am never to have been a JW. I guess people sort of know its bad, but reading the life stories on here I see how really bad it is to be imprisoned in the Watchtower.

Just found this web site recently. Born into an agnostic vaguely Christian family, I was saved/ born again at Keele University, Stoke-on-Trent, England. My parents only stepped foot into Churches at Christmas and at weddings, but also in their childhood.

I'm going to post to see if this finally works!

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REAL life of a JW!

by Silent_Scream in

born into jw family.

5 years old - you are told celebrations and gifts on those days are from satan.

therefore, in school, your an weird outcast.

Andrew Sh

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REAL life of a JW!

by Silent_Scream in

born into jw family.

5 years old - you are told celebrations and gifts on those days are from satan.

therefore, in school, your an weird outcast.